Though the dissenting voices are a minority, it is reasonable that they nonetheless may represent a larger player segment both in and outside of EVE itself.Ģ) Validity of arguments to and fro aside, it is clear, to my mind atleast, that the concrete expression of this difference ingame between PvE and PvP in EVE, is a source of dissatisfaction for those who view it differently than the majority in this thread.ģ) I am concerned, and I think other participants have aired this too, that new and old players are having difficulty accepting the essential core PvP nature of EVE. I think various definitions, viewpoints and arguments have been explored sufficiently in this ramble, to attempt and draw some preliminary conclusions and attempt to tie this all back to the original topic of player retention.ġ) It is evident that there is a schism between how people perceive PvP/PvE ont only in EVE, but overall. I simply prefer to call a thing what I believe is it's best broad descriptor, you prefer more specific descriptions. But they are just your preferences, they are not superior or inferior to my preferences. See, there it is, you are rationalizing your preferences. You want to ask someone to send the marshalls over, you aren't just going to say "Send toe police over here" are you? Consider what you are saying about your buddy, say you have a group of police officers, a group of federal agents and a group of marshalls all in a room. What they really mean is "pvp".It's not a hatred of reusing terms, i t's just dumb to try to be too broad when there are further categorisations. ![]() ![]() I just let them say "competitive pve" because it makes them feel better even if it makes me want to roll my eyes. It boils down to personality driven preferences, no amount of arguing will ever change that. If you say police meaning police officers or a police department, that's fine, but if you say "Police" in the more colloquial sense meaning "Law Enforcement as a whole" he actually loses his mind because "not everyone in Law Enforcement are police, there are special agents, troopers, deputy sheriffs, constables, marshals etc etc!!". I have a buddy who works in my department's IT section, and he's a perfect example. It's people ( Player) competing against ( Verses) other people ( Player). But Competitive PVE is just PVP when you get right down to it. They litteraly can't stand it, thus the new fangled term 'competative PVE'. The Statement "EVE is a pvp game" drives them nuts, because pvp describes something specific (player combat) and something non-specific (broader player interactions). The problem is that some people HATE 're-using terms', so they create ever more terms to differentiate between things, usually unnecessarily.
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